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  Scissors edge test
Posted by: SHARPCO - 04-21-2018, 06:18 PM - Forum: Edge Sharpness Testing - Replies (2)

Can we measure the sharpness of scissors with BESS tester?

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  The Sharpest Knife Contest by Australian Knife Magazine
Posted by: KnifeGrinders - 04-19-2018, 03:49 PM - Forum: Edge Sharpness Testing - Replies (4)

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  Opinions and advice on my sharpness tester idea.
Posted by: Blade Banter - 04-18-2018, 01:00 AM - Forum: Edge Sharpness Testing - Replies (13)

I recently started to work to figure out an effective way to test sharpness of a blade.  During that time I started with a Lyman pull gauge before coming across the Edge on Up.  I reached out to Mike Brubacher on the use of their device for edge testing for reviews on the "Blade Banter" channel.  He said that I would be able to make a posting here to get some suggestions.

    I tried to put together a fixture type of system and initially I was playing with the use of dental floss sticks initially, then using fishing line currently.  I may pick up a roll of the BESS to see how that works with the unit as it seems well tested and can be a consistent media.  I'm still working with the Lyman pull gauge as a measurement tool and actually made use of a fidget spinner for the media.  

    I put together a device to work to have repeatable testing for knives through reviews and was looking for feedback and advice on the set up. 


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  Introduction, and new Viel user
Posted by: bruin - 04-15-2018, 11:04 PM - Forum: Relevant General Discussion - Replies (24)

Hi everyone,

My name is Kevin, and I recently got a Viel S-5 (my first powered sharpener). I'm still putting it together and was looking for a pyroceram platen, when I got a recommendation to contact Mark Reich, who let me know about this forum.

To give you a little background on my Viel project, I'm just a regular guy who's been using waterstones to keep my knives acceptably sharp (I'm too lazy to keep them really keen, plus I'm slow). As the 'knife guy' I would sharpen kitchen knives for my friends and family occasionally, but most of them were so painfully dull I'd spend ages on coarse stones just to reprofile the edges... only to find them butter-knife dull again a few months later. Sigh, no matter how much I plead not to use plates as cutting boards, or chop frozen meat, or toss knives in the sink full of dishes....

A few months ago I decided to get a KO Worksharp to speed up the work. I could bring it to people's houses and sharpen in the backyard. Well, researching the topic led me to look into all manner of 1x30 and 1x42 belt grinders, and some of the larger ones, too. Since I wanted to keep the machine portable, that ruled out a 2" belt grinder. At the same time, I wanted to keep the door open to dabble in knifemaking in the future, and I have a friend in college who's getting started in knifemaking but is tight on cash, so I could lend him the machine when I'm not using it.

I settled on the Viel S-5 and picked up a motorless one from Lee Valley during one of their free shipping promos. I also got a Baldor 3/4hp motor and KB VFD from some nice ebay deals. I know variable speed seems overkill for a Viel, but I wanted an enclosed motor and a machine that could last a lifetime of use. I wired it up last week, and now I'm experimenting with motor base shims to get the belt centered on the drive wheel. I'm also putting together a Tru-Grit order for 1x42 belts, mostly Norton Blaze and 3M Trizact (I'm welcome to other suggestions).

Does anyone know where I can get a 1" pyroceram platen? That's what led me to Mark, and maybe some folks could point me in the right direction. Thanks for reading my long intro, and I look forward to being a part of the community here.

P.S. I can't seem to add a pic as an attachment, sorry about that.

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  Doesn't Everyone Carry Two Knives?
Posted by: Mark Reich - 04-13-2018, 09:28 AM - Forum: Relevant General Discussion - Replies (3)

I haven't always carried two knives, but I've always carried more than one blade.

When I was old enough to take knives and sharpening seriously, around the age of 6 or 7, I graduated from the Camillus folders I got from the grain elevator, to a regular Schrade stockman. Each of the three blades has a function, and I sharpen them accordingly. The large clip point gets the coarse side of the carborundum, with a needle tip for dislodging splinters. The sheepsfoot gets the fine side, and does most of the cutting. The spey is obviously for trimming cuticles, or surgery, on anything from frogs and snakes to cattle, so it's polished clear up to the hard black Arkansas.

I was in 6th grade in 1979, when I got a Buck 110. It was my first single blade, lockback folder. Big old thing, pretty much needed the belt pouch. It took a while to get used to it, but it didn't take up pocket space, so I never quit carrying a stockman.

A few years later I got my first high quality folder. Oh my gosh, the Gerber Silver Night, designed by Al Mar, was like a Swiss watch. Tight, smooth and beautiful, it was too precious to do much cutting, but it was a pocket knife. I decided my left front pocket might as well be good for something, and I started carrying two knives. 

I still carry two knives, but I've pared myself down to just two blades. I have a bunch of really nice folders with pocket clips, and I carried one on each front pocket until I discovered Murray Carter's neck knives. That discovery impressed me so much, I decided I wanted to make the best neck knives that I could possibly make.

Since I started out using different blades for different tasks, I haven't ever carried two blades sharpened equally. I've always carried a coarse blade and a refined blade, and I always will. Neck knives make the most practical sense in the world to me. It's the first item I don in the morning, and the last item I take off. 

Sometimes I carry a refined, "dress" neck knife and a coarse folder, but normally I have a coarse neck knife and a refined folder. My neck knives are indestructible, and cut anything, but there are times when a refined edge is much better suited to the job. Some day someone will need field surgery, and I intend be prepared for the opportunity (yes, I carry sutures in every first aid kit, and know how to use them).

Refined edges are better for lots of things, from opening packaging and mail to cutting cloth (rags, gauze), thin plastic and tape (especially veterinary grade tape), to name but a few. 

I work with extremely sharp things, incredibly abrasive things, and extraordinarily hot things just about all day every day, and I can't wear gloves. But I can whip up an industrial band aid for anyone or anything at any given time too.  

I'm sure this is normal, and everyone carries a razor and a wicked slicer at all times.... right?

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  Using kitchen scale
Posted by: SHARPCO - 04-09-2018, 12:49 AM - Forum: Edge Sharpness Testing - Replies (13)

Someone says, "You don't have to buy expensive BESS tester, you just need BESS media and a cheap kitchen scale." 

How can you dispute this opinion?

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  To hold a constant angle...
Posted by: Edgepal - 04-08-2018, 04:21 PM - Forum: All About Edges - No Replies

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This is a very simple but effective tool that show how many degres you wobble sueingvfreehand sharpening on an benchstone. 

I have use a piece of brass 15x3 mm, a strong magnet and a laser pen fixed on the brass part with a rubber band. The brass part have a angle of 10 degrees, make that angle about 15 degrees.

I also made a "target" for the laser dot. The target shall be 54 cm behind the cutting edge = 1 degree = 1 cm on the target.

Do as you are use to do when you sharpen a knife. Mount my tool on the blade. Put the target behind the sharpener 54 cm from the cutting edge. Adjust "zero" on the target where the red dot are when you sharpen. Now, can you hold a consitent angle the red dot will stay on the zero line...

1 cm up, or down, you wobble 1 degree.

Use a video camera and do not look at the red dot, concentrate on the sharpening process and to hold a consitstent angle. Then, look on the video Smile

I think you will be amazed Smile

Thomas

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  To hold a constant angle...
Posted by: Edgepal - 04-08-2018, 03:59 PM - Forum: All About Edges - Replies (5)

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This is a very simple but effective tool that show how many degres you wobble sueingvfreehand sharpening on an benchstone. 

I have use a piece of brass 15x3 mm, a strong magnet and a laser pen fixed on the brass part with a rubber band. The brass part have a angle of 10 degrees, make that angle about 15 degrees.

I also made a "target" for the laser dot. The target shall be 54 cm behind the cutting edge = 1 degree = 1 cm on the target.

Do as you are use to do when you sharpen a knife. Mount my tool on the blade. Put the target behind the sharpener 54 cm from the cutting edge. Adjust "zero" on the target where the red dot are when you sharpen. Now, can you hold a consitent angle the red dot will stay on the zero line...

1 cm up, or down, you wobble 1 degree.

Use a video camera and do not look at the red dot, concentrate on the sharpening process and to hold a consitstent angle. Then, look on the video [Image: smile.png]

I think you will be amazed [Image: smile.png]

Thomas

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  Knife Review: Pohl Force Prepper One (Tactical)
Posted by: subwoofer - 04-05-2018, 07:48 AM - Forum: Knife and Blade Reviews - Replies (1)

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Born from key influences in Dietmar Pohl's lifelong passion for knives, the Prepper One combines the hollow handle survival knife concept with a traditional style 'straight' utility knife. By using modern materials and manufacturing techniques, Dietmar Pohl has avoided all the typical weaknesses of hollow handle knives and produced a super strong design that won't let you down. This review features the Prepper One Tactical (G10 and wood handle), but the range also includes the Prepper One Survival, and Prepper One Outdoor (plus wood handle options for these).

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Author's Statement for Transparency and Disclosure
The test sample/s featured in this article have been provided for technical testing and review by the manufacturer. Test samples are retained by the reviewer following publication of the completed review for the purposes of long term testing and product comparisons.

All output figures and test results published in this review are the sole work of the reviewer, and are carried out independently and without bias. Test results are reported as found, with no embellishments or alteration. Though best endeavours are made to maintain the accuracy of test equipment, the accuracy of these results is not guaranteed and is subject to the test equipment functioning correctly.
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The Blade and Handle Geometry:

Most knife specifications have a basic description of the blade geometry, but in this section I will be taking a more detailed look at geometry and balance.
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Using a set of gauges and precision measuring equipment including a Vernier protractor, callipers, fixed radius gauges and the unique Arc Master adjustable radius gauge (the one that looks like a crossbow).
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These measurements have been tabulated and are presented along with a few reference blades (8" Chef's Knife, 5.5" Santoku and the popular Fällkniven F1).

Key aspects such as the primary bevel angle, grind type, blade depth, blade thickness, length, weight are detailed, along with balance information.
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The 'Balance relative to the front of the handle' tells you if the knife will feel front heavy, or if the weight is in your hand (a positive value means the weight is forward of the front of the handle). The 'Balance relative to the centre of the handle' indicates how close to a 'neutral balance' the knife has in the hand.
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In the case of full convex grinds the approximate centre of the grind is used for the primary bevel angle estimate.

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(Wherever you see the 'Read MORE' marker, it indicates that the Extended Version of the review has additional content at that point. Viewing the extended version helps support further reviews, but please ensure you return to this Forum for comments and discussion.)

The blade is made from Niolox steel.

New for 2018! BESS Certified sharpness testing:

The BESS 'C' scale of sharpness, developed by Mike Brubacher (Brubacher Edge Sharpness Scale) will now become part of Tactical Reviews' knife testing process. Initially this will be used to verify the sharpness of the factory edge and allow the knife to be brought to a minimum standard sharpness before testing a blade's cutting performance.
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The Prepper One's factory edge has an average BESS 'C' sharpness of 345. At this sharpness it easily and cleanly slices 80gsm copier paper. It doesn't quite want to catch a rolled edge of the same paper, but will 50% of the time.


Explained by the Maker:
The reasons for certain design choices may not be clear when simply looking at an object, so this section is intended to give an insight into the thinking behind a design by speaking to the designer themselves.

Dietmar was kind enough to give me some time during IWA 2018 to discuss the Prepper One and where it came from.





Video Edited with - Cyberlink Director Suite 5 (PowerDirector 16 and AudioDirector 7)
Camera - Panasonic HC-V770 - Microphone - Tonor TN120308BL



A few more details:

The Prepper One Tactical arrived in a cardboard box.
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Inside, the Prepper One was wrapped in paper (so much better than plastic).
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In this case the wooden handles have also been included, but these are an optional extra. There was also a Pohl Force Patch and a certificate card.
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Whipping off the paper wrap, the Prepper One arrives in its Kydex Sheath.
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Let's start off with a look round the sheath. The belt loop looks like normal nylon webbing, however, the loop is actually very stiff and holds its shape.
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The Kydex lips have been shaped and finished well, so unlike many Kydex sheaths there is no additional finishing required to ensure a smooth operation.
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That stiff webbing belt loop is not fitted directly to the sheath, but instead to a hanger which is then bolted onto the sheath.
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And onto the knife itself...
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Pohl Force's logo is cleanly engraved on the blade and the serial number on the ricasso.
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A small sharpening choil sits at the end of the radiused plunge line.
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One of the large handle bolts. On this side, there is a large slot.
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Pohl Force's partner in the production of the Prepper One (amongst others) is Lionsteel, well known for their quality of manufacture.
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Fitted with the original G10 handle scales, the Prepper One Tactical uses a OD Green colour.
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A series of offset longitudinal grooves machined into the surface makes for a very secure grip, even in slippery conditions.
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Both the tang, and handles make up the Prepper One's guard.
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Made possible by the G10 handle material, and the fact both the inner and outer surfaces need to be machined anyway, the lanyard (which passes through the full tang) is directed backwards by a groove cut into the inner surface of each handle slab. This keeps the lanyard completely away from your hand preventing any lanyard hotspots while working with the knife. A small but very useful feature.
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On the back of the tang there is one more engraving.
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This is a hollow handle knife, but it is also a true full-tang blade as well.
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A deep section of jimping gives your thumb a comfortable and secure surface to press onto.
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Niolox was chosen for its fine grain structure and super stain-resistant properties.
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The Key, The Secret:

No, not a nineties hit by the Urban Cookie Collective, but the Prepper One's key to its concealed hollow handle.
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Using the key to unscrew the handle bolts, and lifting off one handle reveals the hidden compartment.
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This skeletonised tang, much like many full tang knives have to change the balance, provides part of the hollow compartment. The handles themselves are also milled out to make the space inside the handle larger.
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Fully disassembled, we have the two G10 handles, the two parts of both handle bolts, and the full tang knife blade.
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There is more.

For an even more traditional look, Pohl Force now offer a Santos wood option for the handles.
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As removal and fitting of the handle scales is so easy (exactly as this is something you should be doing to access the hollow handle), swapping between the G10 and wood scales is just as easy.
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It does look good with those wooden handles.
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What it is like to use?

I was fortunate enough to have the choice of testing either the Prepper One or Prepper Two. I chose the Prepper One purely for its much more general purpose size, with the Two being a much bigger camp knife. Clearly as the first of the Prepper designs to be released it needed to be versatile and easy to carry (with the added bonus relating to German knife carry law described by Dietmar in the video interview).

However much I was drawn to the Prepper Two, the Prepper One was so 'just right' I knew it was the right choice. Even better would be the pair.

My hands take XL Gloves, and though my fingers wrap the grip fully, it still feels a generous size for excellent stability without ending up too big for smaller hands.
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You can see here I have the G10 handles fitted. For hard work they are my favourite over the wood grips, however, I love the way the wooden grips look, and really fit that traditional feel of the knife. The G10s will be the workhorse grips for me, but the wooden ones will come out when I want a different feel.

The jimping is perfectly positioned for your thumb when using a sabre grip. With its 6mm blade stock, this thumb position is very comfortable and allows you to exert high pressures without the spine cutting into your thumb.

Of course the flip-side to this is that you can never really forget about that 6mm blade stock, as the Prepper One does feel a relatively heavy knife due to this, despite the hollow handle taking a big chuck out of the weight of the tang.
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We must dwell on that 6mm blade stock a little longer. What is the purpose of the Prepper One? Its name 'Prepper' pretty much sums it up, a knife to ensure you are prepared for whatever you might have to face. These are the situations where a knife blade might have to be used for much more than simple cutting. Breaching, demolition, splitting and use as a spear are only a few of the many extreme tasks it may be needed for. You might balk at the mention of some of those, and many less substantial knives would just fail leaving you worse off than before, but that slight weight penalty gives you a blade that has a strength that you are not ever likely to exceed - Prepper is the word indeed.

And preparing yourself further, the hollow handle...

As it comes, the key has been put onto the lanyard, which can become a little awkward. I've moved this around (check out [url=https://www.instagram.com/tacticalreviews/"]@TacticalReviews on Instagram[/url] for a photo) so the key is attached to the sheath instead, with the lanyard cord on the knife left plain.
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When reassembling the handles or swapping to the wooden grips, make sure to line up the flats on the handle bolts with the corresponding shaping in the holes. Failure to do this will result in the bolts sitting too high and possibly damaging the handles.
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So what would you put in that hollow handle? For me it is Fire and Fish. Remember that this hollow handle is not water-tight, so whatever you put in there might get wet.
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But I digress...

The Prepper One; in reality the hollow handle is more of a fit and forget feature. The things you put in it are things you want to have and will be glad you do, but really don't want to need. With the need to disassemble the handle it isn't a practical every day storage solution, but is an excellent backup option.

As a knife rather than a survival tool, the Prepper One feels well balanced (if slightly heavy) and its full flat grind really helps the slicing ability of the blade, but the 6mm blade stock does make its presence known with deeper cuts in stiff materials. Though I can appreciate the benefits of Scandi-grinds, the choice of a full flat grind really suits the Prepper One, and makes it very easy to work with.

Kydex sheaths are not my favourite, mainly due to what I call 'sheath-recoil' where overly stiff Kydex sheaths lead to knives flying out in an uncontrolled way when unsheathing them. Not so with the Prepper One. The sheath retention is spot on, and the knife is both held securely and also perfectly easy to remove without any hint of sheath-recoil.

With its utility blade dimensions, you would not think of the Prepper One as a chopper, especially next to its bigger brother the Prepper Two, however, thanks to the 6mm blade stock it has more weight to it than most other knives this size. So you can employ this for light chopping, or just to get through smaller branches a bit quicker. Not a major feature, but helpful considering this size of knife is easy to carry.

The finger guard is not very pronounced, but it is very effective at stabilising your grip on the knife. Overall the shaping of the handle and guard make it very comfortable to use for extended periods. I have also really appreciated the way the lanyard is pushed backwards in the G10 handles, so however you hold it, you don't end up pressing onto the lanyard cord (which can make a hotspot). Once I decided to move the hollow handle key off the lanyard (and fitted it to the sheath) the experience of using the knife became a real pleasure, and without having to carry a much bigger 'survival' knife, you also know you have a potential beast of a blade should you really need it. It might be named 'Prepper', but it is a knife you can use every day.



Review Summary

The views expressed in this summary table are from the point of view of the reviewer’s personal use. I am not a member of the armed forces and cannot comment on its use beyond a cutting tool or field/hunting knife.

Something that might be a ‘pro’ for one user can be a ‘con’ for another, so the comments are categorised based on my requirements. You should consider all points and if they could be beneficial to you.


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Things I like
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Hidden Hollow Handle Compartment.
Super Strong (6mm stock) Niolox Full Tang Blade
Easily removable/swappable handles.
Superb Lionsteel build quality.
Excellent grip and handling.
Ideal general purpose size.

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What doesn't work so well for me
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Handle Key can get in the way when on the lanyard (easily moved).
Heavy feel due to 6mm blade stock.
Flocked sheath lining will collect dirt.
Makes you want to buy the Prepper Two as well.


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  "Tales from the Stone Age"
Posted by: Ken S - 03-23-2018, 03:41 AM - Forum: Relevant General Discussion - Replies (22)

I just finished watching a fascinating series, "Tales from the Stone Age". It reminded me of the excellent posts by Thomas about his life experiences with the Sami people. I was particularly pleased that this program treated our early ancestors as innovating, intelligent, and resourceful. There was no attitude of them being primitive or less developed.

The story traces the development of our species from hunter gatherers to the beginning of the iron age. The story begins in the Fertile Crescent and goes back and forth with Europe. It is very well supported with archological evidence. 

There are three episodes, lasting a total of three hours. It was produced in 2004 by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. I found it on Amazom Prime (free to members or no charge to guest members). It is also listed on youtube.

It makes me think and gives me a deeper appreciation for the legacy we have inherited. I plan to watch it again, at least once. I recommend it highly.

Ken

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