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[Edgepal]

Hi Rupert,

No, I man not a master - but I like to experiment with edges and what I can do with edges with my tools.

The picture above is from one of my experiments in precission grinding. It is 0,75 degrees angle between the fazets, the fazets are about 1 mm wide - and they go from the handle out to the tip in straight lines. That is one thing my tool Chef can do. It is also possible to go between those fazets and hits their surfaces perfectly if wanted.

I think that I have show a picture where I have change a edge 1/100 part if 1 degree, if not, you can find that picture on my homepage. I shall later se if I can make 1/1000 part of 1 degree change - just ti se if it is possible to do - and possible to see

Thomas

[Rupert Lucius]

Hi Rupert,

No, I man not a master - but I like to experiment with edges and what I can do with edges with my tools.

The picture above is from one of my experiments in precission grinding. It is 0,75 degrees angle between the fazets, the fazets are about 1 mm wide - and they go from the handle out to the tip in straight lines. That is one thing my tool Chef can do. It is also possible to go between those fazets and hits their surfaces perfectly if wanted.

I think that I have show a picture where I have change a edge 1/100 part if 1 degree, if not, you can find that picture on my homepage. I shall later se if I can make 1/1000 part of 1 degree change - just ti se if it is possible to do - and possible to see

Thomas

When you hit the 1/1000 degree - will you let me call you Master Thomas?

Rupert

[Mark Reich]

I am sure you ARE a master of your Edgepal, Thomas. I've done facets with the EdgePro, so I know the difficulty. I'm not sure if there's anything more defining than masterful facets. One mis-stroke takes about 50 to correct.

Everything has to be dead nuts perfect. You have to understand and fine tune everything about each piece of your equipment, and have the patience and skill to complete the job without any lapses in concentration. I don't know many people who have the ability or desire to demonstrate that level of precision.

[Edgepal]

Rupert,
It is my tool Chef that do it, I just figure out how to help the tool with the correct sharpener, correct pressure (or used weight) and check that all lines are good.

It took me many years to construct Chef, all that work have made that I have not change anything on Chef during the years, it is still the same Chef - and to use it I do not need any other tools, I just use my fingertips. I did all my misstakes during the prototype and testing time. I think that is important.

Today I se how new tools develops with new versions and new parts, for me, that is not a ready tool, that is the prototype and testing time long before a tool are ready for the market. How shall a customer know after som years that he have the model XI C with the holder VIII B when he need a spearpart?

I also see that my constructions and tecnical solutions are used in new constructions.
Chef is a old tool today - but it is still the only tool that can grind a true convex edge in wanted degrees and with wanted convex sphere. I se today that the principal I found out how to sharpen convex edges are used with some different changes of design - and I like that, people use the principle together with their own design.

Chef was the first tool with a built in protractor, adjustble for blade width, fixed distance between the cutting edge and the pivot point, magnetic grinding table, two different width on grinding tables as standard, fine adjustment of the sharpening angle, and so on. Chef was first with 16 different new functions if I remember correctly. Most new tools that come after Chef have a built in protractor (or use the angle Cube) their sharpener holders can hold different length of sharpeners as I use on Chef, and so on. I like that also.

i also see that all tools can tecnical solve how their tools shall be able to grind and sharpen convex edges using the same principle I invented. I know that they can do it very simple. I also know how they can do it very simple. (I learned a lot during the years I made prototypes and experimented with constructions).

So, Chef make the precission grinding job, I am only the engin that moves the sharpener and decide what sharpener I shall use.

Thomas

[Edgepal]

Thanks Mark,
Yes, you cannot get disturbed when doing it - and when you have started - you cannot take a break

I would not even try try to do it with a EdgePro where I must hold the knife by hand onnthe grinding table. Chef have a magnetic grinding table and the blade are fixed in its position and do not move, that is very helpful for fazett grinding. The job I do is to asjust how the blade shall be fixed onnthe grinding table and then I kust have full control of the angles I have decided - and also control every move I do with the sharpener - but on Chef I can use two eyes abd two hands for that job - and really, everything is fixed in there position or angle, you must hold tye knife absolutley still in a very exact position - and if you suceed to make facets similar to the fazets I made - you are more skilled then I am.

I am good to construct things and with that I am absolutley a nerd (when doing it) and I allways set up goals what I like to achive with the construction - and I do not give up before I reach my goals.

My first tools name was Edge. My goal was that Edge shall be able to sharpen both flat and convex edges with free sharpening angle and that Edge shall be able to sharpen 18 cm long blades. It take me 3 years and hundreds of prototypes to find that out the construction - and Edge was 9 cm long and made in stainless steel

My first product was a set of three small tools, Edge, Knife and AxePal. They all fitts in a small purse I can carry in my belt - and those three tools could also be combined - and they could sharpen any edged tool there is.
People that work in areas with no electricity loved that tools (named EdgePal Sharpening System) and it was a system of tools with a sharpener - not a system of sharpeners - with a tool.
Logg house builders in Norway was my first customers and they sharpen al their tools with it.

Thomas

[Mark Reich]

I wish I had heard of your Chef before I had a couple EdgePros, Thomas. I know yours is a much more refined tool, and I am always much happier when I know I have the best... anything.

I have considered making my EP table magnetic. It wouldn't take much to mill holes in the back of the EP table to accept rare earth magnets. The EP had been out for probably 15 years before I got one. It was the most popular machine, and I very rarely heard of guys magnetizing their EPs, so I just learned to do without magnets.

With the depth collar and an angle cube, I created a five facet, five degree convex edge for a sharpening competition with other guys from across the US, and other entries from around the world. I won miss congeniality for prettiest edge, but we didn't have any way to measure sharpness, so absolute sharpness was was more or less a draw with several guys.

The KN100 taught me how to get absolute sharpness on par with about anyone, and my 5 facet edge would not have been as sharp as I can produce now. The thing is, I don't need an EdgePro to do it, so I sharpen 1-2 knives/year with my EP these days. That is the only reason I can't justify getting a Chef.

When I start doing SET testing the ol' EP will come in handy because I can dial in precise angles. It is a pretty good scientific tool, it just isn't as efficient as stones or belts.

[Edgepal]

Mark,
EdgePro was the only bench sharpening tool that existed on the market before Chef. It is a good tool and it was when it come out onnthe market a big step forwards in sharpeneing results - and it is still a good tool. To make the hrinding table magnetic are simple - but in my mind it need to be done with quality, and that need more work ans just glue a magnet on the grinding table downside.

Chef use 2 magnets with 7 kilo magnetic power to hold knifes dixed at the table, a third magnet can be added. The long grinding table use the two magnets on the small grindingtable + add two more = the long grindig table use 28 kilo magnetic power to hold knifes fixed on the grinding table.

I have magnets if you dont canndins them where you live.mjust let me know and i send the magnets I use to you, Neodyme magnets = Earth magnets.

Look att Chefs grinding table and how the magnets are mounted, it works veey good, try to copy it or make it similar. It was a lot of experiments and testnings before I dound out the magnetic power Chef needs

To make 5 facets on an edge with EdgePro needs high skill! Nice job!

Can I help you in any way with the magnets, or making a holder,mjust let me know.

I know that some guys have make some constructions with magnets on EdgePro on the old Knifeforum, I do not know if there is some threds about this on Bladeforum - but perheps it is?

Thomas

[Rupert Lucius]

Thomas and or Mark -

I, had the EP Pro and passed it along to son Henry.

Yes, we would like to upgrade it to a magnetic knife holding EPP.

Let us know we are ready to play.

Thanks

Rupert

[Mark Reich]

Thank you very much for your generous offer, Thomas, that is super kind of you!

I didn't know you used to be on Knifeforums, Thomas. Maybe I just forget. That was the best sharpening forum by far IMHO. I had almost 6,000 posts by the time they let it die. I was crushed.

I've been using Rockler rare earth magnets for very many years, because they are so strong and heat resistant. They are round discs, and come in many sizes.

Mr. Rupert, I can make your EP table magnetic for you. I would use my mill to make exact holes with flat bottoms and perfect spacing in the under side of the EP table. I am kind of a stickler for details.

One cool thing about the magnets I use is that their strength adds up. I mean two 5 lb magnets stuck together makes a 10 lb magnet. I'm not sure if it's exactly double, but I think it is.

At any rate, you would think Ben Dale put them there himself.

[Rupert Lucius]

Mark,
EdgePro was the only bench sharpening tool that existed on the market before Chef. It is a good tool and it was when it come out onnthe market a big step forwards in sharpeneing results - and it is still a good tool. To make the hrinding table magnetic are simple - but in my mind it need to be done with quality, and that need more work ans just glue a magnet on the grinding table downside.

Chef use 2 magnets with 7 kilo magnetic power to hold knifes dixed at the table, a third magnet can be added. The long grinding table use the two magnets on the small grindingtable + add two more = the long grindig table use 28 kilo magnetic power to hold knifes fixed on the grinding table.

I have magnets if you dont canndins them where you live.mjust let me know and i send the magnets I use to you, Neodyme magnets = Earth magnets.

Look att Chefs grinding table and how the magnets are mounted, it works veey good, try to copy it or make it similar. It was a lot of experiments and testnings before I dound out the magnetic power Chef needs

To make 5 facets on an edge with EdgePro needs high skill! Nice job!

Can I help you in any way with the magnets, or making a holder,mjust let me know.

I know that some guys have make some constructions with magnets on EdgePro on the old Knifeforum, I do not know if there is some threds about this on Bladeforum - but perheps it is?

Thomas

Mark and Thomas

Thanks for the fact that you two master sharpeners are willing to help Rupert - you two will get me as close to the CHEF as possible using our existing EPP.   http://www.edgepal.com/english/chef/chef...t-25242390

Thomas let me know if this company has what is require based on your research.  https://buymagnets.com/shop/408/Neodymiu...c-Magnets/

Rupert