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This is a traditional type of knife designed out of use byggde Sami People that lives north if the Actic Circle. The name in Sami languish is "stora Niibi" (big knife). In Swedish and Norwegian they are named "Samehuggare" - and the correct name in English is: Sami chopper.
In Finland the name for rhis type of knife is "leuku".

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I made this Sami Chopper during the seventies and I have use it for many years now and I still carry it when I am out in the Forest.

The handle are short and the pommel is BIG - and that is the most important thing on rhis type of knife. The bladeshape and length can differ a little - but the handle shall be the same.

Sometimes when I use this knife I hold it only with my little finger and the rest of the handle just slides in my hand. I can also hold the handle with 2 or 3 fingers depening om what tupe of work I am doing.

The blade length can differ from 15-25 cm blade length - but the short hqndle with the big pommel never change. If there is no big pommel - it is no longer a Sami Chooper, it is just a big knife...

The pommel is there for a reason.
I can work with this knife with gloves on duringvthe winter - and it so not fly out if my hand, the pommel make it stay in my hand even when my fingers are cold and tierd.
The same thing when my hands are wet and cold - and when they are full with blood or/and animal fat.

I can chop thin trees and also thin branches, i use different places on the edge for that - and I also how I hold the handle in my hand. For thin branches i hold the handle with my little finger and Inuse the upper third of the blade dor chopping, and I use speed more then power, and I use my wrist more then under arm. It works very effective
(Thin branches of birch are used onnthe floor of a Sami Hogan (kata) and are put there in a special way. They work a "springs" in a comfortble bed. On this branches are hard huds, on the hard huds we use soft huds).

Any questions about Sami Knifes ?

Thomas

I forgot one thing...

This handle are made in reindeer antler and birch bark. Study the handle and you will se that the antler worns out more then the birch bark do - so the birch bark make "ridges" on the handle and those ridges helps also to make the handle to stay in the hand.

Real old Sami knife handle has often thin pieces of antler and many layers of birch bark. Especially knifes used for butchering has this. The knife can be hold comfortble also when there is blood and animal fat in the hand.

Nice thing to know I think Smile

Thomas
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#32
Thomas

I, am 8 hours into this Monday and with the post from you - you have made this one of the best days in my life, thank you.

Yes! there are questions -

What metal were you and the Sami's using?

What are the tools used to shape the metal into a blade?

Difficult for me to comprehend such art and etc. with no modern conveniences - very special people, you and the Samis.

The "sheath" all I can say is most impressive - without kydex most knife makers today would be lost.

One of your three Sons works and lives among the Samis?

You and your writings deserve that book - someone on this Exchange spoke to.

Rupert
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#33
Rupert,
I an happy to make your day Smile

I have not a clue Smile. Traditional the Sami people bought knife blades in Norway from blacksmiths there and the steel and the hardening is unknown.

My blade is a old type of steel the blaxk Smith that put shoes on horses used to cut of the old nails. I made a tang on it + belly and tip. It was made by a old factory named Öberg. They so not exists today.

Try to ask Stromeng about the steel they use.

I do not like Stromeng choppers. They work good - but the blade "vibrate" and I dont like that. My chopper have a thicker blade so it do not vibrate.

The steel shall be hard - but not to hard. Study my blade and you can se that it has been Brocken = it was to hard...
I take my blade to a old black Smith and he put it together again and hardened it veey nicely. The edge is water hardened and the neck is hardened in oil. That makes the edge hard and the neck softer then the edge.

It is a very useful type knife both in the mountains and in the Forest. Today many people use it, not only the Sami people. I can recomend it.
I carry this knife and a smaller normal Sami knife in my knife belt. I see a loop on my pants so that ghe sheath stay along the leg when I move. It is not nice when you sit down on the ground and the sheath hit the ground bedore your ass - and the pommel hit yiur lower ribs...it hurts a lot Smile when you run, a knife like this starts to "swing" horistontally - and it will hit your hand... It also hurts a lot - so make this loop...

The sheath in the picture is by my design. When I lived with yhe Sami people they lern me how ro make Sami knifes - but I soon start to my own design and own pattern on my knifes.

My oldest, and youngest sons both work with reindeers. I have still many friends along the Sami people and I try to be updated what happens in the area where I lived. Today it is "civilizised" with roads and so on. I can go by car in some houers that take 2 days by boat or 1 week per foot... The "feeling" i get driving a car and see places where I have slept beside a campfire after a long days walking is not so nice.

The place where I live is as it was before - but there is no hogans left, the Sami people live in houses today. It is called development - and I so not like this development...perhaps I am to old today and dream my self back to the "good old days" Smile well, it was very nice days when I was young and lived there, today it is to much developed for me...

Thomas
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#34
Thank you so much for sharing with us, Thomas! That is a wonderful knife and sheath! Great craftsmanship!

It is great to have you here, Sir!
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#35
Thanks Mark!

I have use knifes and all other edged tools all my life and I am still learning and I try to develop sharpening to higher levells with my tools. It is nice to be here and share what I know and to learn new things.

Thomas
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#36
(03-27-2017, 05:39 AM)Edgepal Wrote: This is a traditional type of knife designed out of use byggde Sami People that lives north if the Actic Circle. The name in Sami languish is "stora Niibi" (big knife). In Swedish and Norwegian they are named "Samehuggare" - and the correct name in English is: Sami chopper.
In Finland the name for rhis type of knife is "leuku".

[Image: 108ilgp.jpg]

I made this Sami Chopper during the seventies and I have use it for many years now and I still carry it when I am out in the Forest.

The handle are short and the pommel is BIG - and that is the most important thing on rhis type of knife. The bladeshape and length can differ a little - but the handle shall be the same.

Sometimes when I use this knife I hold it only with my little finger and the rest of the handle just slides in my hand. I can also hold the handle with 2 or 3 fingers depening om what tupe of work I am doing.

The blade length can differ from 15-25 cm blade length - but the short hqndle with the big pommel never change. If there is no big pommel - it is no longer a Sami Chooper, it is just a big knife...

The pommel is there for a reason.
I can work with this knife with gloves on duringvthe winter - and it so not fly out if my hand, the pommel make it stay in my hand even when my fingers are cold and tierd.
The same thing when my hands are wet and cold - and when they are full with blood or/and animal fat.

I can chop thin trees and also thin branches, i use different places on the edge for that - and I also how I hold the handle in my hand. For thin branches i hold the handle with my little finger and Inuse the upper third of the blade dor chopping, and I use speed more then power, and I use my wrist more then under arm. It works very effective
(Thin branches of birch are used onnthe floor of a Sami Hogan (kata) and are put there in a special way. They work a "springs" in a comfortble bed. On this branches are hard huds, on the hard huds we use soft huds).

Any questions about Sami Knifes ?

Thomas

I forgot one thing...

This handle are made in reindeer antler and birch bark. Study the handle and you will se that the antler worns out more then the birch bark do - so the birch bark make "ridges" on the handle and those ridges helps also to make the handle to stay in the hand.

Real old Sami knife handle has often thin pieces of antler and many layers of birch bark. Especially knifes used for butchering has this. The knife can be hold comfortble also when there is blood and animal fat in the hand.

Nice thing to know I think Smile

Thomas

Thomas, in 2014 at a farmers market i had a lady bring me two new knives she had just purchased while on vacation in Mongolia....knives made from springs and handles from reindeer antlers and they were like new antlers.....had a very odd smell....she said they were curing....some ruff tickets compared to your fine blades....fyi
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#37
Macktheknife,
I think I do not make you happy now, but that is ruff made knifes, probebly tourist souvenirers, very cheap made both sheath and handles. Sorry to make you dissapointed but I think that truth are important.

The blade can be good, test them and try them out. If the steel is good you can shape the handles with a file and sandpaper to your own taste.

In all fairs it is common with tourist traps... Sorry...
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(03-27-2017, 03:24 PM)Edgepal Wrote: Macktheknife,
I think I do not make you happy now, but that is ruff made knifes, probebly tourist souvenirers, very cheap made both sheath and handles. Sorry to make you dissapointed but I think that truth are important.

The blade can be good, test them and try them out. If the steel is good you can shape the handles  with a file and sandpaper to your own taste.

In all fairs it is common with tourist traps... Sorry...

Not mine......I just sharpened them for a lady few years back.......but now at least I know what they were or are..
Thanks for the info..
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#39
Re read this thread (a classic), tonight.

Going through the index of our Exchange - no other other thread has 2060 post.

Thomas, thank you - we all owe you a debt of gratitude -  for sure your writings helped this Forum to get up and running.

Again as always thanks

Rupert
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#40
I do not think that I have told you that I have been, during the last year, treated against cancer. It have been a hard time for me with radiationbtreatment and then 6 month very hard medicine treatment that take away all my power and all my energy.

I have an aggressive prostate cancer - but I had no metastases. I have dor many years been tested with PSA testing and that give ne a warning that something was wrong. Tye doctors did not find anything first - but on a sitt if Xray they find the cancer after some time.

To have this type of cancer = no pain at all - but the treatment take away all power and all energy - and that means all energy.

I ended my treatment the last day of January 2018. I have, for some days ago, get information that my PSA now are normal for my age. 2020 i will get information if the cancer is gone compleatly.

I write this of a reason. Please guys, start to make PSA testing when yiu are 45 years old and then every year. This have saved my life - at last give ne some moore years in worst case.

One thing involved in this type of cancer is that this cancer lives on testosterone. Tye first thing the treatment do is to with medicine take away your testosterone - and that make you "impotent" - but that is the wrong word, impotent means that you like to - but you cannot. When you so not have any testosterone - you can - but you sont want to. This is a big differance Smile I do not miss it. And - now it is comming back to me again after the treatment.

If any of you have any question about prostate cancer, just contact me and make your questions and I shall give you answer and explain things for you. This type of cancer is very common, more common then breast cancer - and 1 men of 5 WILL get this type of cancer - if it is dound early you will survive - if it is dound late - you will probebly so not survive.

Just start to be tested once a year with PSA test if you are 45 years old - or older!

Thomas
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