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Life and Times of a Kitchen Axe
#1
I have this cleaver, AKA kitchen axe that was one of a bunch of knives I purchased last week for $6.83 at the Salvation Army.

   
 
Labeled only “Basic Essentials”, "Stainless Steel" and “China”, I’m sure it’s blade is some nothing special steel. 

   

The poor thing had been abused and abandoned to the Salvation Army by its previous owners.  Yet another case of folks who’s solution for a dull blade is just to throw it away and buy a new one.

   

 Other than seafood I eat no meat, and in my 60+ years of existence I’ve never used a cleaver and still have no use for one.  However, I’ve seen them used in cooking shows on TV for dismembering and disassembling animal carcasses by placing the hapless carcass on a cutting board and whacking and hacking away.  I saw another dude on a Mexican cooking show placing piles of pork flesh on a cutting board, and with a cleaver in each hand, rapidly chopping the meat into small pieces for manufacturing pork tacos.  He was most efficient at the process, chopping large piles of flesh into tasty bite size pieces in only seconds.
 
The point is that obviously this blade is going to have to endure impacts, is used for push cutting and won’t benefit from a toothy edge.  While there is some evidence that even with impact use a toothy edge may endure better than a smooth edge, I’ve always been under the impression that a cleaver should have a polished edge so that’s what I did.
 
Its factory grind was at 20°, but this seemed too acute so I made it 25°.  Probably should have done 30°, but oh well.  I ground off the canyons and bashed in areas of the blade at 150 grit, then 240, 320, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 9 micron micro-finishing  film belt, leather belt with Tormek 1-3 micron compound, and concluded with Mother’s Mag and Aluminum Polish on a soft felt belt.  Of course, the result was a mirror finish bevel and a smooth, toothless edge.

   
 
Microscopy of the thing is a really boring, uninteresting and yawn inducing smooth surface.

   
 
Upon completion the blade measured 235g sharpness at 3 locations, and one at 240g.  Considering how it is to be used, I wouldn’t want it any sharper as the edge would be too thin to withstand impacts.  Even 240g may be excessively sharp. 
 
While pretty to look at, for general use it performs miserably.  With the relatively fat bevel, smooth edge and only 240g sharp, it can barely cut through an orange.  The blade edge just rides on the skin and requires a lot of force to break through.  It can push cut 20# office paper, but fails on thin paper against the grain.  It does OK on the thin skin of a pear.
 
For all intents and purposes it’s pretty much useless as a knife.  But for whacking, hacking and bashing against a cutting board I suspect it would perform admirably.  Too bad I have absolutely no use for the thing.  But it was a fun little exercise, especially considering that I have a very low fun threshold. Rolleyes

   
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#2
Pretty good story, thanks grepper. I live in an area that has some national recognition for bbq and have been accused of being vegetarian more than once, but I only eat wild game that I harvest or particular meat from from certain farms or butchers.

The clever is in this world is as you said, a chopper. There are some thin slicing clovers that will go through an orange like Grant through Richmond, but for the most part they're just hack and chop, heavy, axe like kitchen tools. Sometimes called splitters or lamb splinters. Some are big thick chef knife types and others have room for two hands and as long as 4'.

Meat cleavers are the only kitchen knife I sharpen convex. Always edge leading into a belt of course, (sorry guys) I know how bad that must sound.

True butcher shops rarely ever use a clever. Mainly for bbq places that want to serve chopped meat.

I've also got a clever to restore., I'll share some pics as soon as it's under way.
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#3
"...and others have room for two hands and as long as 4'."

Wow!  What a monster!

"I've also got a clever to restore., I'll share some pics as soon as it's under way."

Looking FW too seeing the pics! Smile

"Meat cleavers are the only kitchen knife I sharpen convex."

So, you must be either sharpening flat or hollow grind.  What methods/equipment do you use for that?
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#4
I like using a platen on a 1"x42" belt machine to sharpen knives. The only method about it may be that I use guides and sharpen edge leading into the belt. A glass platen helps with heat.

When I sharpen meat cleavers I use the slack of the belt, (still edge leading) between the top of the platen and the wheel on a Viel belt grinder .

It's rare, but sometimes I use a Wicked Edge gen 3 pro. It's something fun to play around with from time to time. And also Japanese wet stones just to remind myself how I got myself into this rabbit hole.

Other than a blade I don't think I've ever hollow ground an edge, though I think it's great on a proper chisel. I like using a Tormek for that. Well, my lower end Grizzly with Tomek attachments I guess I what I really mean.
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#5
Wow! You have a glass platen? I've never herd of that.

It sounds like for knives in general you prefer a flat bevel, but for cleavers a convex edge. That's interesting.
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#6
I would be curious to learn more about glass platens , their pros and cons, and how they effect temperature.

Ken
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#7
"Glass" platens are made from clear, high temperature, tempered ceramic, called Pyroceram. They use it for glass fireplace doors, and you can get it from any full service glass shop.

If I remember, it's about the same price for 1 or 3 pieces of 2"x 10". I have cut it the short way with a diamond blade on an angle grinder, but the cut wasn't great.  

I can't say they cut down on heat a bunch, but they're much harder than steel, so if you you keep glass on your platen, it will remain flat and new WAY longer.

I don't use it on 1' machines, but all my 2x72s have them, because big platons are pretty pricey. I never use 1x42 platens very hard, and  I've never heard of anyone putting Pyroceram on a low speed grinder.
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(06-07-2017, 12:31 AM)Mark Reich Wrote: "Glass" platens are made from clear, high temperature, tempered ceramic, called Pyroceram. They use it for glass fireplace doors, and you can get it from any full service glass shop.

If I remember, it's about the same price for 1 or 3 pieces of 2"x 10". I have cut it the short way with a diamond blade on an angle grinder, but the cut wasn't great.  

I can't say they cut down on heat a bunch, but they're much harder than steel, so if you you keep glass on your platen, it will remain flat and new WAY longer.

I don't use it on 1' machines, but all my 2x72s have them, because big platons are pretty pricey. I never use 1x42 platens very hard, and  I've never heard of anyone putting Pyroceram on a low speed grinder.

http://usaknifemaker.com/ceramic-glass-p...0-192.html

There are other cut to size "glass" platens on the market.

A fellow sharpener uses ceramic tile cut to order at his local Lowes and or Home Depot on his 1x30's, 1x42"

Very inexpensive fix in his opinion.

Rupert
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#9
Interesting thoughts. Thanks, Mark and Rupert.

Ken
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#10
Jeremy mentions hollow grinding with proper chisels. I would like to comment briefly on that before this thread disappears into pixelland.

One of the reasons I like the combination of the Tormek (or clone) and a belt grinder is that it combines a tool designed for (slight) hollow grinding with a tool designed for flat and convex grinding. Each tool can do what it does best. Whether or not one likes hollow grinding with a chisel, a convex grind seems best for an ax. Tormek makes an ax sharpening jig. I am sure many axes have well sharpened on a Tormek. The ax jig is one of the few jigs I do not own. I just can not see trying to sharpen a tool with one machine when another is better suited and reasonably priced.

Ken
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